where women go wrong: they give away their feminine power

Posted on May 18th, 2011

Satoshi Kanazawa, evolutionary psych and author of Why Beautiful People Have More Daughters came out with some statement this week that men typically lie upwards and women typically lie downwards.

He uses this argument to then highlight a point I think he’s rather proud of: the one thing that women don’t realise about their feminine power…

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They actually have more of it than they realise.

He says:

It is true that, in all human societies, men largely control all the money, politics, and prestige.  They do, because they have to, in order to impress women.  Women don’t control these resources, because they don’t have to.  What do women control?  Men.

But he argues:

Men pretend that they make more money, are taller and have had more sexual partners.  In contrast, women pretend that they are younger, lighter and less sexual. In a word, less. He points out (apart from height) these dimensions only increase with time, so women lie and pretend to be what they used to be before in the past, whereas men lie and pretend to be what they will be in the future.

The females of all mammalian species, including humans, always have more power than the males, and, in every human society, women are slightly better off than men are.  If there is anything that is bad or unkind to women, it is the space-time continuum.  The uniform and unidirectional progression of time – where time only moves in one direction and all of us uniformly get older – is the only thing that is detrimental to women and beneficial to men.  No matter how much they wish, women cannot reverse the course of time; they have to get older, heavier, and have more sexual partners as time progresses.

Which I think is a bloody good point. But he ruins things by suggesting “feminism” is what caused women to lose their feminine power in this way.

Modern feminism is evil because it ultimately makes women (and men) unhappy. American women over the last 35 years have steadily become less and less happy, as they have made more and more money relative to men.  Women used to be a lot happier than men despite the fact that they made much less money than men.  The sex gap in happiness (in women’s favor) has declined in the past 35 years as the sex gap in pay (in men’s favor) narrowed.  Now women make as much as, sometimes even more than, men do.  As a result, today women are just as unhappy, or even more unhappy than, men are.

I guess he’s suggesting we just go back to controlling men. As WRONG as all this sounds there is an element of truth in it all.

* Women need to remember their feminine power. It’s a still, sturdy power that anchors. It doesn’t control, but it attracts and guides.

* Women would do well to hold this feminine power as time passes. That is – get stronger as we get older. Get more feminine – still, sturdy and anchored. I think many women do – they get graceful as they age. And they get happier.

What do you think? I write this off the back of Insight’s special on people at 40...which found that 1 in 4 women at 40 won’t have children and the average age of divorce for men is 40. Also, the highest number of singleton’s in the country? In the 40-year-old demo. Interesting things happen as we age…I guess it’s up to us how we do it.

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  • Mel says:

    I love men, I really do, but women are the glue that keeps civilisation civilised. I was always a quiet feminist, just doing my own thing not interested in marriage or male support. I never wanted more than what I could provide for myself. After having my daughter and finding myself suddenly and shockingly alone I realised mothers and women are the glue, it opens ur eyes to a primal instinct as old as humankind and that is our power. We stay the course, we are selfless, we never give up and even if u think u r too selfish, when that baby comes u just are not. This is what men know. It’s not sexual power it’s nuturing power and it is not fleeting or intermitent it’s constant from birth to death.

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    Ryan. Reply:

    “I love men, I really do, but women are the glue that keeps civilisation civilised.” — yes quite. I wish Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Abraham Lincoln and Churchill were all women after the devilish reign of terror they unleashed on the world. Idiot.

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    May 18th, 2011 at 10:35
  • Amy says:

    Well I have so much to say about this, but I’ll keep it short and to just one point – I think that the reason women are less happy than they used to be is not a result of “modern feminism” but is a result of the fact that we haven’t achieved the goals of modern feminism. That is, women may be getting paid closer to what men earn, and have the same opportunities as men in many ways (although that is still arguable!) but women are still expected to do more housework, more cooking, more cleaning, more child-rearing… etc etc. Various studies have shown this. So it’s not surprising that women are unhappy! We have to go out and earn money, but still do the majority of the home-based work that our mothers and grandmothers did!

    Along with that, women are still expected to be feminine and beautiful, slim, fit, attractive, sexy, juggling multiple roles – in short, we are expected to be able to do everything! The pressure is huge. I would argue that we have ALL the pressures that our mothers and grandmothers had, along with ALL the pressures that men have historically had – being good at their jobs, bringing home the money, supporting the family.

    And in addition – modern feminism brought the sexual revolution along with it, which was great. But now, women are STILL expected to have “few sexual partners” in order to impress men!!!

    So, we have become unhappy because “modern feminism” has not given us what we want? “Modern feminism” is evil?!!! No, I think this way of looking at it is completely unfounded. I would argue that women’s “unhappiness” is due to the fact that we haven’t achieved the aims of modern feminism. We still have a way to go. Until women can be respected regardless of how many men they have slept with, we have not achieved equality or respect. Until women can be respected enough by men to share the housework and child-rearing responsibilities, then no, we haven’t achieved equality. Until our government introduces fair paid parental (not just maternity) leave, which enables and encourages both parents to take part, we haven’t achieved equality. Etc etc etc.

    Well, ok I think I ended up making more than one point…!!

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    Sarah Wilson Reply:

    agree, agree…it’s such an involved issue. good points!

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    Nichola Reply:

    And this is shown in all its glory as people rant about our Prime Minister travelling overseas, representing Australia, with her “live-in boyfriend” – citing that she should be married to him or go alone. Are they serious? So, it’s OK that many past Prime Ministers were married but had affairs and flirted outrageously with many other women, but it’s not OK for our current PM to have one constant partner. It’s not like I’m a big Julia fan, but honestly the double standards are extraordinary… Hurumph!

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    Gss Reply:

    Yeah being a whore is so worthwhile…./s . If being a whore is so good, then I guess prostitutes are the queens of the universe. You don’t get it. You aren’t a man. You are totally shooting yourself in the foot. You want more? You haven’t had enough yet? Feminism is doing to women what hollywood has done to mankind. Or in a sense, what the lottery proposes to do to so many, make you rich. Guess what, only so much room at the top. The majority of women will be made poor by feminism. That’s the bill of goods that you guys are being sold. It’s a pipe dream. You won’t make it. Don’t you realize that? How much higher does the unemployment rate need to go before you realize that it’s not going to work !!! The only way for you to live a nice life as a woman, is to marry a man, be submissive to him, surrender yourself to God and devote your energy into maintaining the family like you were instinctively built to do from BIRTH !!! As long as you keep denying your God given role, you’ll continue to be unhappy.

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    May 18th, 2011 at 10:56
  • Mia says:

    You have actually tapped into the reason I have mixed emotions about modern feminism. The idea that women are victims, and the patriarchy is a big evil entity that controls our every move. I never liked the idea that women were naturally weak and spineless, I always thought we had more power than we know. Oh, and I hate women telling each other what to do all the bloody time. You cant wear lipstick, or watch porn, or be a homemaker, or get married, or look pretty in any way because you are a tool of the evil vicious PATRIARCHY and it must be stopped at all costs! *sigh*

    Dont get me wrong, there are certainly countries in which men control women’s lives. But here in the western world? I can vote, I can sleep with whomever I like, I control my own career & money, I can control if/ when I give birth and how many children I have. I think its time we changed the game plan and realized how great our achievements have been. And stop making men suffer for it, too.

    Women CHOOSE to lie about their weight, their age, their number of sexual partners and how much money they make, and make themselves appear less in front of men. I choose not to lie about any of it. Nothing bad has happened to me so far.

    I agree with Amy that the pressure to have all our mothers had (home, children, family dinners on the table at 5) PLUS everything that men have (money, power, career, education.) Why do we need to “have it all?” Men never had it all. Why should we need to to feel like women? Yet, we still live in a society where you are treated as a criminal if you are a female and you dont want a family. And it’s women that put the pressure on, not men. We do need equality, but we need it from EACH OTHER.

    We need to use our power for GOOD and stop using it to make each other feel bad about our life choices!

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    May 18th, 2011 at 11:47
  • Bob says:

    But are women any good at planking? That’s the main question.

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    Sarah Wilson Reply:

    Did you see KAK on her couch yesterday!?

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    May 18th, 2011 at 11:59
  • Mez says:

    He also makes ridiculous statements like this:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/17/satoshi-kanazawa-black-women-less-attractive_n_863327.html?fbwall

    so I would take anything he says with a grain of salt!
    We women intuitively know how powerful we are. I think we just need to be shown the tools to harness and utilise that power :)

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    Dani Reply:

    Exactly – I am always dubious of a “scientist” (social or otherwise) who feels the need to be deliberately provocative for publicity. How can we trust the integrity of his research when he uses junk science?

    More info at http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/18/satoshi-kanazawa-black-women-psychology-today?CMP=twt_gu

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    May 18th, 2011 at 13:22
  • Arohanui says:

    Why do people believe women used to be happier? When? When were we all so content with our place in society, or our lives in general? For a brief period 35 years ago in America?

    I would argue that women of all generations were probably unhappy about something. I can confirm that my mother, my grandmother and my great-grandmother were all pretty unhappy about how their lives turned out. But maybe that’s just my gene pool?

    As a 40 year old single woman, I’m pretty damn happy (on average) with my life and I have never had cause to pretend that I was younger, lighter or less sexually active than I am.

    I would propose, that perhaps the problem with that evil modern feminism is not that it makes women unhappy, but that it makes some men unhappy (and belligerent).

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    May 18th, 2011 at 13:38
  • It’s also interesting to think about the play of masculine / feminine energy within each of us as women.

    Through the feminist struggle, in the last 50 years or so (and I’m totally generalising) women have had to become more masculine in their energy in order to achieve within masculine dominated roles. Now that that balance is being achieved more and more in today’s society, it’s great to see women achieving business and life success (whatever that means to you), while still celebrating their feminine energy.

    At its basest, masculine energy is projective and expansive, which fits why men lie “up”
    and female energy more receptive, nurturing and creative, when you’re nurturing others, you’re focussed on them not you. So lie ‘down”. hmm Interesting.

    The real balance is to find ways to honour and / or reclaim your own feminine energy within yourself, so that you have your own balance of feminine and masculine. Each equal, important, and valued.

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    Sarah Wilson Reply:

    Hoorah! Agree…it’s up to women to let go of the masculine a little, to let their feminine energy have a little more oxygen…and so blokes can take up some of the slack and own their masculinity.

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    Kylie Ryan Reply:

    Yes, yes, yes! We’re totally on the same page with this. I have suggested to some female clients who struggle with this to:

    - take some quiet time to nurture their femininity after a busy day of masculine energy work, like a bubble bath or reading a favourite book, just for 30 mins or so to make the switch to a more relaxed, chilled energy for home time…
    - buy some uber-sexy lingerie to wear under work clothes, to feel that feminine power.
    - notice when they’re leaning on their masculine energy too much, and workshop different responses to those situations.
    - Celebrate the masculinity in their partner and allow themselves to be nurtured by their man.

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    Mia Reply:

    I’m much more nurtuting and feminine around a man who gives me space to be. If he gets clingy or possessive, I turn to stone and emotionally shut down. I get what you are saying Sarah!

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    Kylie Ryan Reply:

    Totally Mia. Me too.

    Gss Reply:

    Won’t work. You can’t do it. You can try but it won’t work. You can’t be a bitch at the office and then be sweet at home. Why the hell would you want to anyway? Why don’t you just accept who you are and stop this foolishness. You’ll never be a man. I’m sorry. Why don’t you just accept your role in society and stop pretending? You’ll be a lot happier.

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    sk Reply:

    Haven’t you worked out that since no one’s replied to you so far your points are simply not worth engaging with? Go nurture your ‘feminine power’.

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    May 18th, 2011 at 13:57
  • Little Wing says:

    When I’m sad, she comes to me
    With a thousand smiles, she gives to me free
    It’s alright she says, it’s alright
    Take anything you want from me,
    Anything.

    - Hendrix

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    May 18th, 2011 at 14:13
  • Michael says:

    How on earth can he make this statement: “in every human society, women are slightly better off than men are”? What does he use as a measuring stick? Has he researched the middle east? And I’m not so sure about the statement “Women don’t control these resources, because they don’t have to.” – I think the situation is a hell of lot more complex (just consider the power Christian churches gave men but denied women).

    Anyway, from my observation, it’s mostly women who judge other women’s sexual promiscuity (and inversely applaud it in men), dress sense, child rearing abilities, shoe size, weight, number of wrinkles, financial status, you name it. If men judge these things, I would suggest it’s due to a lack of self confidence more than anything else.

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    Mia Reply:

    As a woman, I agree totally with the last part – I have never been called a slut/whore by a man. Plenty of times by women/girls, interestingly enough I got it really bad in high school when I was still a virgin. I wonder where these 13 year old girls heard these words from? Children are born without judgments but then go on to learn them from somewhere…

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    May 18th, 2011 at 14:34
  • julie says:

    i don’t think the reason for women’s unhappiness is “EVIL” feminism. (if it is true that we are less happy) but perhaps because we live in a society where all our “power” comes from being thin, chaste and young. And of course those “powers” decrease as we age. Yikes, that makes me so depressed just thinking about it.
    I don’t think of feminism as limiting my choices, in fact, i am grateful for the feminists of the western world, because of their work, i am free to make these choices, I married, had children, became a stay-at-home mother, went back into the work force, and depend heavily on a man to care and cook for my family now. We can have it all! and why not?

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    May 18th, 2011 at 15:18
  • tee says:

    this same “scientist” also claims that black women are “objectively uglier and less intelligent” than white women… so, i can’t really take him seriously. and i really question the legitimacy of any statement such as “all women used to be a lot happier… and are now a lot less happy”. how exactly did he come up with this “objective fact”?

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    May 18th, 2011 at 16:54
  • Laura says:

    Interesting. I don’t know that I agree, but it’s definitely interesting.

    One problem I have with this idea of harnessing “feminine power” is that we are gradually learning that sexuality fluctuates from person to person… some women are inherently feminine (whatever that means, really), some are naturally more masculine, some are gay, some are transexual. I would never deign to encourage women without the inclination to be feminine to try to push themselves into a feminine mould. People should be who they are, that is enough… and they will never be happy if they are trying to be somebody they are not.

    That said, as a “feminine” young woman, I can relate to the post 100%. I have always felt, throughout my privileged, post-feminist life, that being a woman is an advantage. I have been able to use my feminine wiles (amongst other things) to get what I want… academically, relationship-wise and career-wise. I think I’d find it really hard to be a man.

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    Kylie Ryan Reply:

    Good points Laura. I completely agree.

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    May 18th, 2011 at 17:25
  • Alex says:

    He certainly raises some interesting points!

    I see other people have pointed it out, but I too have a real problem with this guy and his numerous racist and sexist claims with not much more than junk science to support it. This is why I am so wary of evo psych. Some of it is great, a lot of it seems intent on maintaining and justifying a very white male type status quo.

    I’m glad I’m a woman but I love men too.

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    May 18th, 2011 at 22:56
  • Clare says:

    I ran into a friend of my husbands the other day and we got talking about what I do. When I said I write a blog called Women in Business his demeanour changed and he said somewhat abruptly, “So you’re a feminist then?” I smiled sweetly and said, “Aren’t we all?”

    I mean really – if you’re not *for* women having equal opportunity (and I’m all for picking and choosing – not having it all – who needs the pressure!) then I think you need to take a good look at your beliefs.

    Then I told him that the blog is probably not what he thinks – from the business I see popping up online we’re evolving the cliché of women in business into a feminine approach that suits the lifestyle we want. To me the idea of being in business doesn’t translate to ‘building a corporation’ or having to take on ‘manly’ qualities to do it.

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    Gss Reply:

    yeah but women have less choices now 50 years after feminism than they ever have. You have less mobility. You are poorer. I can’t believe you guys are still promoting feminism as the savior of women. Are you crazy? Ok, well maybe you’ll change your mind in 10 years after you’ve had some more. There’s nothing out there for you. You’ll never achieve what you want because you are biologically incapable of achieving it. I’m sorry. You are genetically FUCKED. You are genetically incapable of competing with men. You have periods. YOu have vaginas. You give birth to babies. You have an instinctual need to have children. Men don’t really have that. Men like to have sex but that doesn’t keep him from going to work. As a woman, if you don’t take care of your child, you go to jail. A man will always have the upper hand in the corporate setting. He’s built for it. You’ll never win. Go home…be with your family. Start a family. You have the upper hand at home. Men have the upper hand outside the home. You won’t win.

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    May 19th, 2011 at 9:35
  • Daniel says:

    What makes you think as a man i’m happy ?

    I get to work for 50 years straight, miss out on many child achievements (including neices / nephews) … stress about whether or not i’m providing for my family… if anyone wants to swap … anytime!

    Why in god’s name would you want to be more masculine ?

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    May 19th, 2011 at 10:14
  • JessieAnne says:

    If my feminine power lies in ‘controlling or guiding’ men, then I don’t want it. My power lies in my Personal Power, not my vagina’s power.
    Satoshi Kanazawa’s whole article undermines the very serious issues women deal with. I find all articles where we sit and talk about ‘how much power we have as women’ to almost be an attempt to self-soothe. It’s condescending. Give me feminism any day! :)

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    May 19th, 2011 at 11:26
  • Tiff says:

    Really I think women (and men) can have it all, you just can’t have it all at once.

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    Mia Reply:

    True. But, that leads into the next question… do we WANT it all?

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    May 19th, 2011 at 20:06
  • Blaise says:

    I think Mia makes a valid point. Its not just men who expect woman to do housework, cooking, cleaning and child rearing. Its an identity we (as a society) subscribe to, and ultimately it is the individual who polices themselves. Gillard has chosen to reject these notions, yet she is still judged by woman and men alike for not conforming.
    Her choices are seen as unnatural and used as a basis by the media and society to belittle her ability to be a leader.

    The ‘feminine identity’ has been internalized by womankind. Why else would we strive so hard to master the feminine façade? Sandra Barky suggests that women have mastered the ‘highly stylized activity’ of make up application that ‘presupposes that a woman’ face, unpainted, is defective’. We literally buy into this idea that our natural state is not feminine enough, and we need all these beauty rituals to signify our femininity. This is demonstrated not only in our aesthetic but how we have internalized the expected behaviour of women,

    We are not being feminine for ourselves. We are being feminine to be perceived as feminine by others. We have the power to subscribe or not to this kind of identity, yet it is the fear that if we subvert these expectations there will be some kind of consequence. I’m 20 years old, and I will barely ever leave the house without some kind of makeup. I don’t have low self esteem. I wouldn’t even notice if a peer was wearing make up or not. Ultimately my fear is based in the judgment from others. I do understand the ridiculousness of it. But this fear of punishment, is what enacts me to at least apply mascara before running errands. Obviously there is no consequence, but there is this kind of biopower that produces, communicates and attempts to enact this discourse.

    Kanazwa’s argument really speaks to what I’ve been pondering about lately. The dynamic between the husband and wife, and who really directs the family?

    We’ve heard it before, the man may be the head of the family, but the woman is the neck that turns the head.

    I agree with you Sarah, he lost me when he started suggest ‘modern feminism is evil’.

    But I do understand

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    Amy Reply:

    This is SUCH a complex issue. I agree entirely that the “feminine identity” has been internalised by women themselves. But it’s not about blaming men OR women. The “norms” of female and male behaviour is completely ingrained in our cultures (in fact in all cultures). It is up to all of us to challenge stereotypes.

    I have a bit of an issue, though, with seeing certain behaviours as negative, and others as positive. For example, is wearing makeup really a negative thing for women? Why do we have to label the pursuit of beauty as anti-feminist? Makeup per se is not a negative thing. Self modification of the body has existed throughout human history, and is not always about women trying to impress men.

    I think that’s the whole problem – that whatever women do, we are “wrong”. It’s the same with the burqua – in one culture, women are expected to wear it and shunned if they don’t. Yet in other cultures (say, France) women are expected not to wear it, and are shunned or disciplined if they do. Either way, women can’t win! In neither of those scenarios are women actually making their own choice.

    It seems to be that in many cultures, women seem to be the beacons of what is right and wrong. They are the holders of the moral values of a society. We hold women up to a spotlight and judge and scrutinise them. Men are also scrutinised of course, but not to the same degree.

    I truly believe we should dismiss any notions of “feminine” and “masculine”. What do they mean anyway? To one person, feminine can mean “nurturing”, “caring”, “gentle”… whereas to another person it can mean “weak”, “submissive”, “sexy”… The thing is, some men can have “feminine” qualities, and women can have “masculine” qualities. Who are we to say what is right or wrong? Every individual is unique, and noone should have to subscribe to certain behaviours associated with their gender.

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    Blaise Reply:

    One of my favourite quotes

    ‘We are born male or female, but not masculine or feminine’

    There should be more be more people thinking like you Amy. But I think women will continue to be described as masculine based on their appearance (Amelie Mauresmo), values (Julia Gillard) or attitude, (Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama). Yet despite the fact these women are clearly female on a biological level, their ‘feminitity’ is questioned by society (men and women alike).

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    Kylie Ryan Reply:

    Agreed Amy. Good points. My opinion is that happiness comes through your own personal integration of these dichotomies masculine/ feminine in a way that works for you. Letting go of labels of masculine or feminine and just being free with full permission to be however you really are.

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    Gss Reply:

    That’s feminism. You are preaching yet more feminism. Do you realize that? You want more women to be poor? YOU WON’T WIN….YOU WON’T WIN. HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT. YOU WILL NEVER WIN.

    You are still rejecting who you are. That’s the basis of feminism. …oh I couldn’t possibly be this or this…I need to be this. It’s a life long journey that you won’t win. You’ll just end up at 60 yrs old being unhappy and tired. You are a woman. What’s wrong with embracing that? For fuck’s sake.

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    May 20th, 2011 at 14:12
  • The Dame says:

    I completely agree with him.

    I think his point about women getting unhappy is because we aimed too low, we aimed to be equal to men – too low.

    Only when women are back on top and calling the shots again will we be happier because men will do as we command instead of the other way around.

    Women are meant to be in command, its the natural order.

    Whats the saying? The man is the head of the family, but the woman is the neck and the neck turns the head.

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    May 21st, 2011 at 5:30
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    May 23rd, 2011 at 9:21
  • Peter says:

    This fellow is dead right. Its even worse when you consider the effect of women in the workplace making alot of money. In an economy there is only so much money to go around and the more women earn the less men will earn and as women judge men in the sexual marketplace on their earning capacity then women are the losers. So are men in the end also.
    If your society requires that two people instead of the traditional one go into the workplace then each earns only 50% of the traditional single breadwinner. So a single income family due to pregnancy or childrearing becomes a half income family whereas in the past with one person, usually the male, bringing home the bacon this made no difference.
    I told the gist of this theory independently to two women one of them being one of the then 18 female actuaries in the country, the other an economist working at the top level of the Victorian government, both highly educated women, and their responses were to stare at the ground and admit I was correct.
    Women do control us and that is life and its perfectly fine, but there is no need to challenge us in earning capacity and lose out.
    To add because of that difference in how we are all judged in the sexual marketplace, women will never earn as much as men, regardless of capacity. Its just too important for men to earn alot and they will always struggle to achieve this.

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    Michael Reply:

    Peter, I’m a bit confused by your comments about how much money is available in an economy. Are you talking about the GDP or an entire country’s cash flow when you say there’s only so much money to go around and when women earn money they take that money away from men? Is it like that argument that immigrants take jobs away from rightful citizens? If I earn $150k as a project manager and my wife decides to join the workplace as a project manager at a similar wage, my income won’t suddenly drop to $75k. (However, this may occur in Portugal where hardly anyone seems to have a job).

    If more people have access to education, information, entreprenuerial opportunities, more jobs are created and that’s how an economy grows. It’s not static and canabalistic (hopefully).

    However, I do agree with you that in our society, both men and women have been conditioned from a very early age that men should be breadwinners and women can earn but also have the option to gain support from men. I think this is changing but I am sure there are more women than men that look to gain financial support from prospective partners.

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    Mia Reply:

    Peter, you have also left out some people in your workforce equation… single mothers, women who dont want children, homosexual relationships, non-nuclear families, families with grown children and women who do not expect their partner to provide for them, stay-at-home dads (they do exist!) – to name a few. I understand that the traditional “man brings home money while wife pops out babies” ideal is still standard for many people. Still, its not my experince, so I thought I’d bring that up.

    And I’ve known enough man-bludgers to laugh when you say that women expect men to do the earning. Often it works both ways. It’s actually not 1952 any more. I’d rather starve and be homeless than let a man support me.

    I dont know where everyone is getting this idea from that women “control” men. That’s kind of fucked up to me. Women may control breeding, and rightly so, considering breeding occurs within our own bodies and we should have complete control over our own bodies. But women controlling MEN? That’s just nasty. If you want to control something buy a Zuzu pet, and leave adult relationships to grown ups.

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    Peter Reply:

    Mia, so many issues you have raised I would like to answer but in the time avaliable I will say only one thing.
    Women do control everything. They absolutely do. In relationships and social interactions. I am sorry if you feel this is not your experience. I can only suggest to observe. It may be a welcome surprise. I find I have to be content with that truth.

    Mia Reply:

    You’re kind of treading a fine line, Peter. We live in a country where 1 in 4 women are sexually assaulted, very few offenders ever even see jail time, and the majority of offenses aren’t even reported because women are petrified (rightly so) of being blamed for it. Control? You dont know nothing about the word, into you have been followed home at night by somebody twice your size or had your home invaded and been raped in your own bedroom. (Happened to a friend of mine.)

    I’m sure you didn’t mean to be offensive… but I would suggest caution?

    Peter Reply:

    Mickael, Thankyou for your reply on this difficult subject.
    It may not be all about conditioning but more about genetic strategy.
    The male and female are at opposite ends of a spectrum. The male is a high-risk high-gain carrier of genes while the femaile is a low-risk low gain carrier of genes and as they average the same number of offspring the competitive male tends to be selected for. Females will breed closer to the mean while males may breed no offspring or very many relative to females.
    Female strategy is to invest while males spread themselves about thinly. A female puts out one package of genetic information, if you will, every month while a male can put out the equivalent in genetic information to fertilize every fertile female in existance every day.
    The upshot is that they must behave differently and nothing will change that.
    About the theory of earning money. Its simpler to understand if you consider a society that has a law saying that one person, to be fair, partakes of the economic system and consider the change that occurs if the law of the land changes and now two from each family has to partake of the economic pie. Whereas the one earner was bringing home 500 clamshells a week for instance the two will now bring home 250 each instead.
    The 2 women I talked about this theory to were both the most educated on economics and accounting I will ever know and BOTH were flown about the country to go to feminist gatherings and were the last who would have embraced such a theory if did it not make sense.
    Its even more interesting when you consider how many of us do anything usefull anyway, male or female. So many of us could stay home anyway and it would make no difference to actual production of necessities.

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    Gss Reply:

    To the woman who said, “yes , but there are single women out here with no children” . Yes that’s true, and you know, even before 1950s, women were allowed to work. I don’t where you get this crap about women just now getting the right to work. It’s a load of bull. Listen, the economy can not support millions of women working. It can support several thousand single women but when you flood the workforce with millions of single women, it destroys everything. We aren’t saying that we want to take away a woman’s right to work, we are just saying that this economic model WILL NOT LAST. It won’t last much longer. I’m sorry. You’ve been lied to. The working woman is destroying families. It can’t continue on like this.

    Gss Reply:

    It’s biological. It’s not conditioned. If you take a 3 yr old boy and set a truck next to him and set a barbie, he’s going to play with the truck. Take a 3 yr old boy shopping, he’s going to gravitate to the trucks and gi-joe’s and stuff. It’s biological. It’s genetic.

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    Gss Reply:

    This guy is right. Finally, this guy has it right. Everyone read Peter’s comment.

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    May 24th, 2011 at 12:44
  • Zoe says:

    ” in every human society, women are slightly better off than men are”

    Since when???

    This is possibly the most uneducated and outright offensive pieces of psuedo journalism.

    Facts:

    * Women bear the brunt of modern conflicts, including where rape is a weapon of war (think Kosovo, Bosnia)…
    * Women lag far behind men in access to land, credit and decent jobs. Women have less secure jobs and STILL receive lower wages than men.
    * Women typically have lower education and lower literacy rates.

    So enlighten me, how are women better off than men in every human society?

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    Gss Reply:

    Nope, that’s not true. Male-on-male assaults are so much higher than male-on-female or female-on-female. Males are assaulted like 4 times as often as females in the USA. Men are on the front lines of war in the army. Women are not.

    Ok, by your notion then, children don’t have credit cards so obviously, they have horrible lives. So we need to push for children’s rights. See how absurd that is? Just because women work at home and have children, doesn’t mean they have it worse than men. Men are out there forging a path for new technology, we are building cities, we do the majority of the work both physically and intelliectually while women sit around and enjoy the fruits of our labor. I’m sorry but that’s the way it’s always been and that’s the way it always will be.

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    Bruce Tritton Reply:

    Women bear the brunt of modern conflicts, including where rape is a weapon of war (think Kosovo, Bosnia)…
    * Women lag far behind men in access to land, credit and decent jobs. Women have less secure jobs and STILL receive lower wages than men.
    * Women typically have lower education and lower literacy rates.

    You actually believe these ‘facts’? Let me let you in on a little secret. Facts are only facts when they are correct. In your context these are complete lies.

    Women bear the blunt of modern conflicts? What planet do you live on?

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    May 24th, 2011 at 13:36
  • S says:

    Do we really know what being feminine is? We have been conditioned as to what is considered feminine by a male dominated media. Isn’t it time women decide for themselves what is means to be feminine? Not just simply the opposite of masculine. I still do not know what it means to be a woman. Men seem to have their place in society, and can decide and do and create and live. But as a woman I am tied to my children, and yet I have valueable insights to give to the world without a means to do it. Because I had children young I have to study, work and look after the house and children all at the same time because I have skills I want to give to others. I am more than just a baby making machine as men are more than masturbators/sperm banks.
    I’m fed up of being told what is right for me to do because I am a ‘women’. I think its time we own ‘feminine’ and decide that whatever we do, whatever we think IS feminine. We are right to be who we are, we are right to have the interests we have, we are right to have the opinions on issues that we contemplate, we are right when we want to work and give back to society, we are right when we want to have children, we are right when we decide not to, we are right to nuture our children and we are right to nuture ourselves. And above all we are right when we ask men/partners to support us in our lives just as we support men/partners.

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    June 15th, 2011 at 22:45
  • Bruce Tritton says:

    He is absolutely spot on when he suggests feminism is to blame. The marriage figures alone are proof of this, not to mention the amount of single mothers out there.

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    June 30th, 2011 at 11:37
  • marco says:

    Feminism is an idealism to control population, cause conflict and bring competition between men and woman. Its brain washing pure and simple. Equality is balanced and regardless of sex race ect is more to the point in terms of equal pay for skills and performance. Woman are the most important roll in terms of raising children they are natures nurturers how you raise a child is tomorrows nightmare or success. Its become so sick that now all you see and hear is how much a man is worth that makes him a good choice of mate. I dont agree money makes good parenting or raises better children at all, its the nurture and love that does. So men reckon money makes them more potential what a joke its the man that counts, and mating for money or financial comfort is prostitution. Woman are better then to allow the illness of insecure men to lead them into this life sucking game. Chose a man for who he is not what he is and then you can build materials together as in a team. How many woman divorce because they discover how controlled they where( passive aggressive ) but gave the best part of their fertile years to the wrong person and could have been happier off given to a real love in her life.
    Sad thing is we ll are affected by it

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    August 5th, 2011 at 6:43
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    October 26th, 2011 at 14:13
  • TYHYTHT says:

    I just want to say I am female and when I was growing up, I always played with trucks, Pokemon, cars, and I run over dolls. Perhaps it is probably cause I was around my pops more while my mum was quite ill, but I never showed interest. One time my parents got me first doll for birthday but I threw it against the wall.
    I’m not interested in dolls or shopping still.
    GSS I hope you enjoy being male, well I enjoy being female too. I think the most important thing to remember that everyone forgets is that, both genders have their weak points and strong points.

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    January 2nd, 2012 at 9:00

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